2009 Man Up Champion
Posted by dirtysanchez on 9:00am, Friday October 9th 2009
ITS A TIE!!!
David Wright and Daniel Murphy both have amassed 16 MUA’s a piece. After days of deliberation and bribes(i kid…kind of..), I have decided that real men hit home runs and stay on the field. Since Murph finished with 12 home runs(Wright finished with 10 home runs) and never hit the DL list, your 2009 Man Up Champ is…
Dan "The Iron Man" Murphy
Daniel Murphy finished with 12 HR’s/.266 avg/63 RBI’s/.417 SLG. Since his first at bat in the 2nd half of 2008, Murph has always been talked about as having an outstanding work ethic. That work ethic showed up every time he stepped into the batters box and earned him a starting spot in 2009. Murphy didn’t waste any time from the close of 2008 with a home run in the season opener of the 2009 season that accounted for the only offense in the game. Unfortunately that high did not last as his defensive short comings began to take center stage. As if on cue, the classic cliche “Things happen for a reason” reared its head in the form of what would turn out to be a season ending injury to Mets 1b man Carlos Delgado. The Mets eased Murphy into the infield where he spent most of his time in AAA. Murph took the bull by its horns and improved at 1b almost on a game basis. Murphy would be only one of two players to play the whole season without hitting the DL, as most of the Mets lineup did. Murph(unexpectedly) would finish the 2009 season as the Mets home run leader. Daniel manned up more than anyone on the Mets this year and is a deserving winner of the 2009 Man Up Championship.
A look at how the other Mets fared in 2009:
David Wright-16 Mua’s
Francisco Rodriguez-14 Mua’s
Jeff Francoeur-12 Mua’s
Angel Pagan-11 Mua’s
Omir Santos-8 Mua’s
Sean Green-8 Mua’s
Luis Castillo-7 Mua’s
Pedro Feliciano-7 Mua’s
Johan Santana-6 Mua’s
Gary Sheffield-6 Mua’s
Carlos Beltran-5 Mua’s
Ryan Church-5 Mua’s
Mike Pelfrey-4 Mua’s
Livan Hernandez-4 Mua’s
Brian Stokes-4 Mua’s
Bobby Parnell-4 Mua’s
Anderson Hernandez-4 Mua’s
John Maine-3 Mua’s
Tim Redding-3 Mua’s
Fernando Tatis-3 Mua’s
Fernando Nieve-3 Mua’s
Pat Misch-3 Mua’s
Josh Thole-2 Mua’s
Nelson Figueroa-2 Mua’s
Wilson Valdez-2 Mua’s
Cory Sullivan-2 Mua’s
Nick Evans-2 Mua’s
Jerry Manuel-2 Mua’s
Fernando Martinez-2 Mua’s
Alex Cora-2 Mua’s
Oliver Perez-1 Mua
JJ Putz- 1 Mua
Jeremy Reed-1 Mua
Brian Schneider-1 Mua
Jon Niese-1 Mua
Angel Berroa-1 Mua
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You can keep your Murphy, I am giving mine to Frenchy. Who in half a season was almost able to catch up to these two full season guys.
no arguement there. Frenchy went ape s*** when he got here. Im sure if they would have won more games, he would have gotten more.
Yeah, because you might have actually been motivated to keep up with it. LOL.
lol..touche.
Congrats to Murph. If for no other reason other than he managed to stay healthy and be one of the last two men left standing.
I was going to comment on the same thing regarding Frenchy. He obviously took to NY like a duck to water. Here’s hoping he picks up next season where he left off.
Uhhh, I love Murphman, but is this really what it has come to? Guy hits 12 HR’s and 63 RBI’s and he is the pseudo MVP (not that there was much to work with). This post more or less sums up the season.
I think the MVP is still clearly Wright. Yes he had a very down year, one in which he still hit .307 with a .390 OBP.
Clearly, uh?
Who else is it, Mr.anti-wright?
Anyone else on the team come close to that OPS?
Still waiting.
I’m not anti-wright (lol) i’m just anti statements like MVP title to David in 2009. I think even he would find this funny.
So again, who does it go to?
When the team loses over 90 games it clearly goes to nobody. The whole 2009 roster is tied for LVP award. (Except maybe Johan)
Way to spin it MrBill. This thread was about if you HAD to chose an MVP and I said it was clearly Wright. You said clearly? Showing that you had an objection with that choice. Thus if chosing an MVP who would you choose? Your reply is…. uhm there should not be one. That’s fair. LOL.
TRS — I would consider Feliciano as the team’s MVP.
True, he did perform well but I (again I said I) can’t give it to a middle reliever over a guy who is in the lineup everyday with those numbers. IF we did not know what Wright was capable of it would be much easier. However, basing it just on comparative stats to the rest of the team I still give it to Wright.
pedro played everyday too though, didn’t he? Just not as many innings!
Very true. Just can’t give it to a middle reliever.
You can… but you won’t!
Remember, MUA’s are only given in team wins. I agree wright is the “mvp” but in games that they won, murphy played a part in it.
D-Wright gets my vote.
Chicks did the long ball, but real men dig OPS.
Wright .837
Murphy .741
lol. meant to say “Chicks DIG the long ball”.
Slow day on here but wanted to ask this.
Considering the vast holes in the Mets rotation, would it be more wise to go out and sign 2 FA SP? Go get Lackey AND Piniero/Marquis and then trade for a hitter? Based on reports Piniero is still only going to get around 2/16. It would also allow you to dump Perez if he does not get his act together and not have to depend on Maine.
Johan, Lackey, Piniero/Marquis, Pelfrey, Perez/Maine/Niese/Nieve LOOKS much better.
No way in hell that happens.
At best, if Maine or Ollie have a poor first half, we may get a mid-season trade for a SP.
Most likey not but to me it would then allow you to use some pitching prospects to trade for a LF or 1B.
unless we’re talking bout Crawford or Fielder, there’s no reason to trade for a LFer w/ so many FAs on the market (LF more than 1B).
Still, there’s no reason why they can’t go get all 4 (2 SP, 1B, LF). I’m sure some of the decent FAs will still be around for cheap.
I don’t think we can seriously afford all of that.
Lets say you got Lackey for 16, Piniero for 8 you would have enough to get maybe Lopez and then look for a trade.
Can get Branyan, Byrd, Wolf and Piniero for approx. $30M.
Please, no Branyan…
why?
what’s wrong w/ .347 OBP and .520 SLG?
HR/FB 21.7%.
He looks to be slightly above avg. defensively.
Most importantly he’s cheap and gives us an option over Murphy.
His second half was .193 .274 .414 which makes it pretty likely to me that his first half was an outlier compared to his career of .234 .331 .491 at age 33.
He’s also still useless against lefties (Happ, Hamels, Lee and Moyer anyone?).
He’s a “trap” free agent if there is such a thing.
I would rather have Huff, terrible year and might actually be cheaper. Not a bad guy to have on the bench. Idealy though, we need a RH guy for the bench to go with Carter if he makes it. And no I don’t think Evans is the guy.
Risky going with Wol and Piniero. But lets see
Branyan 5M
Wolf 8M
Piniero 8M
Byrd 8M
Yeah you could. I would not but… sure.
I am not even sure that Branyan and Byrd together would equal the production of Holliday.
with so many holes to fill, isn’t the priority to provide the core with decent support players instead of counting on 1 guy to fix all of the Mets problems?
Question though, what produces more. Holliday and Murphy or Branyan and Byrd?
Holliday and Murphy easily.
Agreed, and of course it would be expensive
16-18M for Holliday and Murphy
12ish for Byrd and Branyan. So lets say you even squeeze
Byrd, Branyan and Wolf.
I think I still take
Holliday, Murphy and Niese.
Also, lets follow this more closey. So Bay resigns with Red Sox and Holiday goes to the Yankee’s. Who do the Mets get on the FA market to vastly improve LF?
Also, MC points out the team may trade for a SP. Who is available besides Halladay? But if you look for LF/1B there will be many more names out there as potential trades. We know it’s cheaper trade wise to get a LF/1B than a top SP.
Yanks will keep Damon in LF.
Not so sure. Depends on how much he cost and what moves the Redsox make.
They did let Abreu go.
Besides, it’s the Yankee’s. They could slot Damon at DH and still sign Holliday.
Apostrophe police!!!
I don’t do it with anybody but them. LOL. I don’t even know why I do it.
think the Red Sox want Damon back? Haven’t heard that one yet.
Yanks could slot Damon at DH, but then where’s poor Georgie going?
Damon’s actually been decent in LF this year.
Point on Redsox is how much do they upgrade? Will Yankees feel pressure to get someone else?
at 12 mil dump perez…not going to happen. I like not depending on maine but we still need a ledgit slugger and im thinking the mets will bring in that guy via FA as their 2nd type A signing..
I am not so sure about that anymore Dirty. I think that if he does not get off to a good start next year they may put him in the pen or force him back down to the minors or even release him. With Omar and Jerry’s jobs on the line they are not going to just trot him out there if he does not give us a chance to win.
cmon real…had gary sheffield not been cut from the tigers and could be had for league min, we would have marlon anderson on the bench over nick evans who had a better spring traning. We both know money equals starts. Oliver Perez at 12 mil will start no matter what. The key however is finding enough guys who are better so it allows perez to be your #5 pitcher until the contract runs out.
I think it DID matter more. But now, I am not so sure. Obviously they sent him down this year. Could be injury, hopefully.
they sent him down because of his “injury” and the fact that he was not in season shape. He is a bad pitcher with a very good agent. Couple that with a desprite GM that needs to put a winning product every year and you get the perez deal. Like i said, best case senario the mets can do about it now is to make perez the #5 starter.
And if he gives you Eaton like results from the 5 spot, what will they do with him? I don’t see Omar being willing to sacrifice his job for Perez.
if Perez is in the 5 spot and stinking it up, it won’t matter as much bc it’ll be the 5 spot
I disagree. There is a difference in a 5.00 ERA and a 7 ERA. Ask the Phillies about that. If he can keep an ERA of 5.00 or lower, fine. If not they will have to make a move.
I have no problem beefing up the pitching (which should also include the pen) and trying to address the offense via trade. The offense should be improved just by virtue of (fingers crossed) healthier players, i.e. Reyes and Beltran and a full season of (fingers crossed) an improved Francoeur.
If the Mets could get two top starters I think they’ll be able to dreal for some offense — maybe not Matt Holliday offense but someone better than Angel Pagan or Dan Murphy, for sure.
I still think there could be some reclamation projects out there for LF in trade or FA. I am still ok with a guy like Ankiel too to throw in the mix if he comes for a 1 year incentive contract.
Ankiel makes sense as a fallback option to compete with the rest of the clowns.
His got some pop and is a surprisingly good outfielder (obviously with a sick arm). He could also be insurance on Francoeur and a potential platoon partner if Frenchy goes sour.
Interesting but his RF #’s were terrible this year and his LF #’s off the charts. Who knows if that is just sample size or what.
But I like him for some reason. I think he will have a big year next year for someone. I also think he will be left out in the cold because Boras will do his classic screw job he does on players like Ankiel. Advertise him for way too much money, lose his market and be forced into a 1 year incentive deal for nothing.
He’s definitely intriguing. And for a make good contract he’s a great risk.
The good thing is the mets can get Holiday to play the OF instead of Murphy. Holyday catches all balls out there. oh, wait…
I don’t think they get 2 expensive SPs. Still have too much volume that they want to utilize.
but mostly, the budget (assuming they want to upgrade on the field too!) can’t really support a rotation that expensive.
Santana - 18?
Lackey - 16?
Pinero - 8?
Ollie - 12
top 3, that is already 42 million, and 52mill with Ollie (and TRS, like you say, even if they cut him, they gotta pay him!)
Just add DW, reyes, beltran and K Rod, and you are already over 100million. And that is only 8 guys.
The cash still adds up though Stick. We have 30M to spend and that would only be 24M of it. Leaving us 6M to upgrade LF with a reclamtion project and competing with Carter, Pagan, etc.
IOW, spend everything on the rotation, and basically keep the same group, plus carter of course. So basically, no upgrades to the offense, unless your reclaimation project really has a massive rebound!
Yeah, that gives you all your prospects and time to see if Reyes, Beltran, Wright, Frenchy can hit a stride. If not then you trade for an addition. I think we just have more ready and future for the lineup in the minors than rotation.
I agree with that. Call me a pollyana, but I don’t think the offense, as is, for 2010 is that bad (with the usual caveat that DW bounces back, and Reyes and Beltran actually play). lightish on HRs, but not as bad as this year.
Even a mid-tier, solid OF bat (doesn’t have to be a star) would help immensely.
A line up with Francouer and murphy hitting in the 6 and 7 hole, especially if they are getting any production out of the C in the 8 hole, is not too shabby.
POLLYANNA!!!
The key is they need a guy who can push Murphy down to 7th. After that I think we are ok.
Yeah, that would have to be the LF.
castillo
reyes
wright
beltran
LF
Francouer
#7 - murphy
Here is an idea I stole from the other site.
What about Perez for Ordonez? Ordonez is owed 18M for next season and the Tigers are going to be desperate for pitching. They also have other high priced guys they could be looking to dump to balance the salary or perhaps the Mets kick in 6M.
This solves the offense for a year and frees up money and a spot for SP.
That’s an interesting idea. The Mets would probably have to kick in the difference (or close to it) of the total salaries.
The question is whether scouts think Magglio is shot.
Considering his 2nd half, I don’t think he is. The guy had a .961 OPS in August and a 1.057 OPS in September.
One other thing to think about is they need a 2B because Palanco will most likely walk.
Yeah, he certainly took off in August. And playing for his next contract might motivate him. Also, the Mets would be stuck for only one year (which gives FMart another year of development a possible shot at 2011).
Baseball reference lists him as weighing 170 lbs. When was that? At his Bar Mitzvah?
Not sure they’d be all that interested in Ollie, though. Their rotation seems pretty set and they already have Ollie’s clone in Dontrelle.
I am not sure it’s set at all. Also, I would give the edge to Ollie right now over Willis by far. Isn’t that scary.
Help me out but I see
Verlander, Jackson, Porcello and a bunch of question marks. The #4 was a 27 year old with a 5.64 ERA and I see no sure thing for a #5.
Have to assume Bonderman will be back in the rotation at some point.
And also have to assume they won’t be spending big money on someone who only figures to fill the 4-5 slots. They may pay $12m for someone with certainty of being a 2 or 3 and moving Jackson down the line. But why pay $12 m for a question mark when you already have Dontrelle? That would potentially be $20m+ on utter crap.
Their next pitching move has to yield some certainty.
True, but from what I read they are not getting into the FA pitchers market and are not likely to add payroll. Thus it will have to be a guy like Ordonez traded to balance salary. Now question is can they get a better pitcher than Ollie for Maggs?
I do this deal. We discussed this last off season too, just can’t remember the names! Money is a wash, but essentially the mets wil be frontloading the salary hit.
Hey, if they want them both, trade Ollie + castillo, and the 2010 salaries cancel out (actually favor the tigers, since they get 2 guys for the same price).
Mags did have a hell of a finish, but given that, why would Detroit want to move him, if they aren’t saving money?
I forget who there project #4 is. Iknow I read about it on MLBTR recently.
But, plugging Maglio into the middle of the order for 1 year, with say pagan to caddy for him, and Carter on the bench? That could be an order that does some damage.
then, at year end, he walks away (maybe evn offer arb if you need him).
ollie for ordonez.
sign a SP (lackey? Pinero?)
then all you have to do is shuffle the spare parts for C and bench. And decide if you want to bring in a 2nd mid tier starter, probably via trade.
Santana
new guy
pelfrey/maine/neise/? for 3-6 OK, maybe a 2nd new guy!
revised:
santana
new guy - FA
new guy - trade
pelf
maine
neise/nieve/etc. (5-7)
thats workable.
castillo (unless they can unload him)
reyes
wright
ordonez
beltran
frenchy
murphy
catcher
You can make a productive line up out of that.
Niese/Nieve/Maine would all be competing for the #5 spot.
It would look something like this
Johan
Lackey/Harden
Piniero/Marquis
Pelfrey
Cast of many.
Nieve’s arm could be a good asset in the pen. Can never have enough power arms.
No doubt. To me he has a spot on next year’s team regardless.
Cheaper more effective version of Redding.
Murph with the MUA! I called it! What do I win? Nevermind, I previously got my prize: I didn’t do post games in September. I’m already a winner.