Holy Halladay Rumors Batman!!
Posted by dirtysanchez on 2:59pm, Monday December 14th 2009
According to several tweets, Roy Halladay and his agent are rumored to be in Philly right now. Also Ken Rosenthal is talking up a possible 3 way deal which you can read here
-So…anybody know any good spots to jump off of the Brooklyn Bridge? After watching my Gmen get beat by the Eagles last night and now this, im all Phillied out =/
UPDATE
According to Jon Heyman, the 3 way deal is gaining momentum. Mariners defiantly 3rd team
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cough cough look into chapman..cough cough.
So, Holliday, Sheets or Bedard, and Garland or Marquis.
= 4th place.
So the Phils changed aces. Not a big deal for the Mets. The Phils still have a #2 whom the Mets hit well (Hamels).
I’d fret if I were an Angels fan. Felix & Lee back to back, Figgins gone. Any chance they can still bid on Lackey, or does the physical mean John has accepted Boston’s money offer?
Thank you.
Please post more often.
Roy Halliday is better than Cliff Lee. Fine so they only upgraded slightly..how have we upgraded? Philly was significantly better than us before they even acquired Lee in the first place! They didn’t have Lee for most of the season and were still the team to beat. They won a world series will Hamels as the ace. So they’ve added Holliday and Hamels could be much better than last season. We lost Delgado, have 2 outfielders, 1 ace coming off an injury, 1 mediocre pitcher, a whole bunch of ?’s a bad 1b, who knows how Castillo will be, pretty bad catchers though many of them, reyes coming off an injury, beltran off an injury, and who knows what Wright will be, and if Frenchy will be good. The Phillies have the best NL line-up and now have the best pitcher in baseball to go with a pretty solid staff. The best fa pitcher is gone. If you are optimistic at this point, I ask you to please give me a hit or two of whatever you are smoking.
o, and we have a pretty weak bullpen as well. not even going to dive into K-Rod.
1: The Phillies made a trade that improved their team by whatever degree you think Halladay is better than Lee (I say not much).
2: This had NO effect on the Mets’ situation: namely, they are a mediocre team whose fate depends more on the rebounds of Beltran, Reyes, and Wright (power-wise) than on what they do this offseason. Admit it!
and, for pessimists:
3: It coulda been way worse (Halladay-Lee-Hamels-Happ-the Phanatic)!
So the most positive you can draw is that the upgrade the Phillies just made wasn’t too much of an upgrade?
Wheres our upgrade!!!!!!
Even If they rebound, understand that even with all of them clicking, and Delgado in the line-up we were still a bat away from being a serious ws contender. We have a ton of holes, and have yet to actually fill one thus far, whereas the Phillies have a world series caliber team.
OK, but I’m pretty resigned to the fact that the Mets aren’t going to win the World Series in 2010. Once we’re in the playoffs I’ll worry about the WS. And I won’t worry about the playoffs until we’re over .500. Mets have a lot to prove next year, and it mostly falls on DW, JR, & CB.
I’m coming around to the idea of Bay, if he’ll sign for 5 years. I’m still not sure what to think about bringing back Delgado, in part because I’d like to see Murphy develop.
But I think Omar has to wrangle one of those SPs from the Reds, or else pull Meche & Callaspo off KC. Sell low on Castillo.
Sign Pineiro or Garland to be the #3/4, and hope Pelfrey can put his stuff together.
Hope that between Maine & Perez, somebody steps up as a solid #5.
Add at least one semi-proven FA to the pen.
I’ll go into April excited enough about that.
You are right that switching out one shut down ace for another is not that big of a deal.
Either way, the Mets only hope of winning that game would be to have Santana pitch lights out.
This is a much bigger story if they retain Lee and Halladay together.
And there is nothing far-fetched about Santana shutting down the Phils.
Anyway, what will really matter is how they pitch for their teams over the course of a full season. Santana and Halladay, if healthy for an entire season, each give their teams 25+ chances to win with 4 runs. Same would’ve held for Lee.
Main difference is that the Phils are considerably better at scoring those 4 runs.
It’s too early to tell whose rotation will be better as a unit, but this ace vs. ace stuff is pretty much a wash.
Well said.
It’s december 14th. ST doesn’t even start for a couple of months. Give it time.
.364/.417/.727
That’s Jason Bay vs. Roy Halladay. 12 PAs only, but maybe the Mets should offer him 5 years now.
They should have offered him 5yrs a couple days ago if they
wanted to keep him out of Boston and were serious about
getting him!
I found Bay vs. Halladay to be 5 for 18 with a double, 2 homers and a walk, .278/.316/.667
On the other hand,
Bengie Molina vs. Cole Hamels, 0 for 10
vs. Roy Halladay, 1 for 9
I got my stats from the Baseball Cube . . . strangely, it didn’t include any matchups from 2009, so maybe I used the site wrong.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/statistics/head2head.asp?B=bay-j001&P=hallr001
I used baseball-reference.com, but it’s not easy because they just list them under the batter, broken down by # of plate appearances versus so you have to scroll down a long list looking for the pitcher’s name until you find it.
It’s easier to use yahoo sports. You just find the player’s page then click on “batter vs. pitcher” than on “since 1987″ and they are listed alphabetically by the pitcher’s team and then alphabetically within the team so you can zero in more quickly than on b-r.com
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7143/batvspit;_ylt=Au_XHCfcjMLOi2oZPvHOs7eFCLcF?year=career&type=Batting
Meh. I’m glad the Phillies traded and ace and prospects for another ace. The Lackey thing is more upsetting.
I agree, and excellent use of “meh.”
Exactly Prismo…where, pray tell is the needed legit number 2 coming from now? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
Not only have they signed Lackey but they are apparently in “serious talks” with Mike Cameron. It seems my Christmas list got re-routed to Boston.
ellsbury to LF, I suppose?
“From what I can gather” that’s why they are in serious talks, to hash out where he’d play and how often they anticipate him playing (one writer’s guess at a possibility was a LF platoon of Cameron and Hermida, but would Cam sign there for that?).
Yikes. Theo reads TRDMB!
Or perhaps more accurately: unlike Omar, Theo can read, period. “Y’know wha I’m sayin?”
From ESPN:
“According to a source who spoke with two teams involved in the trade, Toronto would get highly regarded Mariners pitching prospect Phillippe Aumont, Phillies catching prospect Travis d’Arnaud and another Phillies prospect in exchange for Halladay. Indications are that the Phillies have balked at Toronto’s repeated requests for outfielder Domonic Brown, and the Phillies are offering highly touted outfielder Michael Taylor instead.”
I really hope the Jays didn’t make this trade for PR purposes by acquiring two guys who sound like they’re from Canada (Aumont is from Quebec).
Maybe we could interest them in Francoeur?
Or Olivier Peretz?
lol.
Do you think we can get Aaron Hill for Olivier, Frenchy and some of the pomme frittes from the CF concession at Citifield?
Oui!
avec Louis Castille!
Halladay’s extension is reportedly something like 3 years at $20m per with possible vesting options for more.
This must be part of Philly’s motivation as it was reported that Lee was not giving hometown discounts and will probably look for a guarantee greater than those handed out recently to Burnett and Lackey.
$20mil a year is a lot, but wow…only 3 years guaranteed?
Phils, Ms, Blue Jays Agree On Halladay-Cliff Lee Blockbuster
By Tim Dierkes [December 14 at 7:04pm CST]
7:04pm: Drabek and “other top [Phillies] prospects” will be involved in the deal, according to Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com (via Twitter). According to Salisbury, Brown will remain with the club.
6:55pm: J.A. Happ and Joe Blanton took physicals and could be a part of the deal, writes Rob Maaddi of the Associated Press. Domonic Brown also took a physical today, who is said to be coveted by the Jays.
If the Phillies gave up Drabek,JA HAPP ,Lee,and others plus gave him 77 million for 3 years thats some trade .The BlueJays did good too
tons of names mentioned, but there are probably off shoot deals too (if they are all on the move).
I am really curious to see what the final player tally is.
I share your curiosity. Until it’s finalized and officially announced it’s hard to begin to judge it.
And then it will be years until we can see what if anything the prospects actually become.
I always recall thinking what a steal it was for the Tigers to get Doyle Alexander from the Braves for the stretch run in exchange for a AA pitcher who was 4-10 with an ERA over 5.00.
Alexander went 9-0 with an ERA under 2.00 and the Tigers won the East, then lost the ALCS. Two years later the Tigers lost 100 games and Alexander was out of baseball.
Meanwhile that prospect was appearing in his first of 8 All-Star games and helping the Braves finish in first place for 14 of the next 17 years.
Ah, the Smoltz deal, I remember it well!!
How about that prospect the Red Sox sent to Houston for Larry Anderson in order to shore up the pen for the 1990 stretch run?
Remember him?
I lived in Boston when that happened, the name Jeff Bagwell is forever ingrained in my memory banks.
And in a twist of fate that haunts me ’til this day, Andersen now announces Phillies games, and rather belligerently.
Correct on all counts!
One things for sure philly will be broke after this ,so when halladays arm falls off next year and I really hope it does they won’t be able to sure up any fa’s next year or 2