Delgado’s Return Delayed - Fuget About Him!
Posted by prismo on 8:11am, Wednesday December 23rd 2009
Na na na na boo boo. You paid me millions last season for nothing!
Marty Noble, of MLB.com, reported last night that Carlos Delgado’s return to playing has been mysteriously delayed. One can only assume that he aggravated an injury or just isn’t ready to play yet, but no details were actually given regarding the delay. However, two members of the Mets’ staff said that Delgado should resume playing in the middle of January.
Carlos played in only 26 games last season after staying healthy throughout his 2008 campaign. He had an incredibly strong finish in 2008, but can we really trust a 37 year old coming off surgery and further injury aggravations to contribute to this year’s team? I realize the Mets are looking for cheap solutions to fill out the roster, but I don’t support more signings of old, injured players. I believe the team needs consistency, and it seems unlikely that Delgado would be able to provide that this season.
Disagree? Think his .929 lifetime OPS is too tempting with the right incentive-filled contract? Voice your (faulty) opinions in the comments!
Oh, and Happy Festivus! Don’t forget to air your grievances and participate in the feats of strength!
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I agree that for the right incentive laden deal, but its also a matter of places on the roster
Sorry Carlito, sometime it bes that way, papi.
Murph in the 7 or 8 hole should be fine. Hopefully, they’ll move on Garko now.
so i’m assuming no one is working today? Or traveling? Quiet day on the interweb
I’m working today, tomorrow, and Friday. Bah humbug!
ouch…
working but last day….WOOOHOOOOO. Was hoping to buy my Jason Bay jersey but i guess it will have to wait
i’m done w/ jerseys for now lol
lol i need a new one…last one i have is pedro’s so…im a little outdated lol
I recommend a Santana pinstripe jersey.
Makes me feel 6″ taller.
i might take your recommendation to heart case…i dont like the pinstripes tho (i know im weird) but ill get the santana solid white
I recommend a classic gray road jersey with the name Backstra and the number 64. It’s a timeless classic.
Does anyone recall the Topps baseball card series that selected players as the “dean” of their team? Mookie Wilson, Dean of the Mets. For that reason alone, a good old #1 jersey is a safe bet.
hahha I would like to get a classic jersey and backstra is a very good choice but to be honest, I didnt grow up with them. I was a year old when the won in 86 and vaguely remember the 80’s team playing..i remember my mom and fam cheering for strawberry though lol…My mom still reminds me i missed out big time on Doc and she loved carter. My aunt had (probably still does) a crush on ron and kieth
If i get a classic jersey(which i have spent hours on ebay trying to find one) I think id have to get piazza since i grew up with him and remember cheering for him in Shea…
maybe a Mackey Sasser? lol
I love my Santana snow white..
I was thinking about getting a jersey, too. It’s either between Beltran or K-Rod. I’m leaning towards Beltran.
Happy Festivus…LOL…love the Seinfeld reference. “I got a lot of problems with you people.”
fuggetaboutit! Indeed!
Most know I’m a huge Delgado fan
but again, it’s time to move on and
away from seriously aging and oft-injured players, no matter how good
they once were.
This was my problem with wasting two
yrs on Moises (Fongul) Alou AND my
Problem with even thinking about
Ben (DL) Sheets.
This team needs healthy bodies which
can be counted on to play everyday or
in SPers cases, every 5th day.
I’d think Omar understands this by now and with his job hanging in the
balance, wouldn’t bother with these
types of long odd bets.
But then, with Omar…who knows.
the way this offseason is going fong, id expect to see delgado on a one year deal in 2010
Fongy, I can’t remember if it was you or Wanny who said at this point (based on what’s available) let the kids play (Murph, Fmart, Neise) and save the dollars for next year. I’m thinking that is our best shot as well. If the team some how gels and is within striking distance, I’m sure a move by the trade deadline could be worth it. With the free agent pool being quite deep next year, that seems like a logical plan.
I still would like having Bay in LF, but if not, we’ll need 2 OF bench players for sure.
I think that was fongy.
I agree, but sort of. Get some 1 year contract guys to for support.
maybe a compromise. Have a couple of vets on the bench (even if you have to overpay them) to balance out the kids.
Lets say you decide to let Thole have a shot at C, at least have another viable BU guy (I guess santos, coste and Blanco cover that, sort of).
For LF, let carter, pagan and F Mart compete in the spring for the rotation. Make sure to sign someone like garko or gomes too (pick your vet bat/corner IF/OF guy). Spend some extra on them sinc eyou are saving a ton not signing Bay.
1B, they already seem to be doing this (murphy), but same deal, get a vet stick to cover your arse.
then load up on the best SP you can get on ST deals. Garland fits. I also think a 2011 horizon means they should spend the money on Chapman.
Is it a tought choice really? 1 year of Bay or 5 years of chapman for the same $$?
I lean towards Chapman, myself.
While having Bay will garner no complaints from me, if Ike is supposed to be a decent bat down the line and has the option to play OF (possibly), next years crop of FA 1B and corner OFs would be able to fill in the power void we have. Flexibility!
Having Gomes on the bench would be positive. Mets haven’t had a power bat off the bench in some time. In reality, Tatis played that role for the past 2 years, and he doesn’t illicit pictures of homeruns dancing in my head.
Agree about Gomes.
Its also my understanding that he is a very well liked clubhouse guy
whos pretty outspoken.So that couldn’t hurt.
Yeah, I’m usually in the “win now at any cost”
bunch,BUT with
all the guys coming off injuries and being question marks,the lack
of high level FAs available,
and me being partial to a
lot of the kids who I’ve seen the last 3/4 yrs w/Bingo,I’d like to pretty
much see them sit tight.
Also,sinc I don’t trust Omar almost at all,I don’t want to see panic moves inorder for him to try and
save his job..
Think ScottKazmir.
I’d be very happy with Bay though!
HAHA Prismo!
Festivus is not over until Jeff pins Fred!
Happy Festivus to all!!
Well, to steal a thought from TRS, if you are going to roll with Murphy anyway as the regular 1B, Delgado is less risky, since if he gets hurt, you are right back where you would have been anyway. So the only thing you really lose (or gain) is the difference in production while he is in there.
So for that reason at least, a 1 year incentive deal is defensible.
However, i don’t want him. Not that I don’t think his bat could still have some life, but after these hip and core muscle injuries, I have a hard time believing he will have any mobility at 1B (and the bat speed is no given).
Combine that with the (ugh) real possibility of Castillo at 2B, 2 old guys with no range on the RS of the IF is not going to be pretty.
So, I wish Carlos well and hope his career isn’t over, but at this point, he really needs to be a DH.
Heck, the yankees should have signed him instead of Nick J. Still don’t understand that move.
Further to your point on Delgado’s mobility, in 2008 fangraphs calculated A-Rod’s range runs at -5.6. After having similar surgery to Delgado’s he scored -9.8 in 2009.
I think if Delgado’s range suffers that badly, he’ll become a virtual statue.
Virtual or Literal?
We’ll have to see how the pigeons respond.
Speaking of “literal”…
I was watching the Green Bay NFL game on Sunday and after Donald Driver made a catch the broadcaster pointed out that “his hands were literally broken in by Brett Favre.”
I’ve never been a Favre fan, but I didn’t realize he was such a thug - to his own teammate no less!
Even if a deal is incentive-laden, the base salary would have to be at least $3-4MM I’d imagine. Just seems too risky to me.
Who hasn’t already forgotten about Delgado?
And I can’t imagine he’ll be able to adequately play 1B after this hip surgery. He had no range to begin with. And judging by ARod’s lack of range after similar surgery I think it is safe to assume that Delgado’s next career move will be as a DH on a bad team trying to get lucky (think Frank Thomas with the Athletics).
The Mets 2010 Hot Stove can be summarized thusly:
They got rid of a PUTZ to get a DICKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahaha your ny post headline everybody lol
If Dickey ever hit a home run, I’d be scared to see those headlines…
Dickey pounds a high hard one!
Even just a “Dickey goes deep”…
And we’ll move along from this portion of the comments going in the wrong direction section.
LMAOOOO
go to yesterdays post about the vazquez trade and read some of our comments
Dickey Sux!
Come on guys. Carlos, Pedro and El Duque, one more time.
Haha, THIS time it’s gonna work!! I swear!!
You forgot Moises Alou! How could you forget Moises Alou!
Mattsblog says the Bravos are close to adding Glaus (I presume to play 1B).
Glaus is still effective when he’s healthy. He’s just not very effective at staying healthy.
I’d like the Mets to have Glaus as a semi-regular/insurance policy at 1B with Murphy.
agreed!
I’d place my money on Glaus’ health and productivity before I would place it on Delgado. The Braves know what they are doing. I wouldn’t be surprised if they sign Bay and snakebite us!!!
So that takes the Braves out of the running for LaRoche.
Still leaves Mets, A’s, Mariners, Giants, D’Backs, and Rangers.
He’s not stellar, but he’s a solid role player.
LaRoche is a bad idea. He’s a second half player, and in NY he’d get grilled after playing a poor first half and everyone would want Murphy back at 1st.
His career OPS during the first half of a season is .773, but is .909 in the second half.
How is his D?
I would prefer we go with Gomes as the 1B backup to Murph, as you know he’ll accept bench role without complaining.
His fielding is slightly below average.
We can get that from Murphy for much less!
Gomes hasn’t played 1 game at 1B.
My bad. I had thought he put a few games in there. Regardless, at least get him for the Bench!
that is very interesting. did not know that.
though, Murphy is a .677 1st half and .824 2nd half.
thing is, there’s not many options out there.
Also, .773 isn’t really bad.
You could have a .330 OBP and .440 SLG and have a .770 OPS.
That’s average.
So, that other blog says to throw in the towel on the 2009 Mets season. I just can’t accept that.
First, 2009 was over in June.
Second, WTF is Hudson going to do for us, and what “figure out what to do with Castillo later” is the dumbest idea,
Loser Mentality!
I meant 2010
“This is why I would prefer to see the Mets abandon signing Bay and Molina or Matt Holliday and Joel Pineiro, give up the idea of a pre-season ticket boom, and focus on building the best possible team for 2009, while allowing for as much flexibility for next winter and beyond.”
I can’t wait until the Mets are good last season! …wait…what!?
hahaha great catch
Where would DeRosa play if you have Winn in LF and Hudson at 2B? Is he 1B? Hudson and DeRosa would be as bad as Castillo and Delgado.
Does it surprise you that MC would make a terrible GM? Despite his insistence that the Mets need to have a solid “plan” for the future, he changes his mind about who the Mets should sign at least five times a day.
It surprises me that after following the Mets so closely, he knows nothing about baseball or anything else.
I swear, this guy is like the Wizard of Oz. I want to peek behind the curtain.
haha! You should be TRDMB’s investigative journalist.
Last year DeRosa played mostly at 3rd but also played multiple games at 1b, 2nd LF and RF. So having him back up Murph and platoon in LF isn’t a bad idea.
My issue is didn’t he have the same surgery Big Papi had? Papi whether there are other issues like weight or steroids hasn’t fared too well since he went under the knife. I’m curious to know other players that had the same treatment and what the turn around time is.
For those of you that are not ESPN subscribers, this is the Buster Olney piece that Matt the Hack was channeling:
For the Mets, there are already legitimate questions about whether Jason Bay is the right investment for their ballpark. He is a below-average defender who hits for power and Citi Field is a place where deep fly balls and subpar outfielders will suffer.
But as the Bay negotiations drag out, there are growing doubts about whether Bay even wants to play for the Mets, in their grand canyon of a park.
The Mets are aware of all this — and while they still would like to sign Bay very soon, the team is internally mapping out alternative routes in the event that Bay doesn’t embrace their offer.
And those options include adding depth, rather the one big name, like Bay.
There is no perfect Cliff Lee or Roy Halladay solution for the Mets, because rival front offices are not lured by their prospects — and because the free-agent market, in general, is weak. But there are a ton of unsigned free agents, and if you have $15 million to $22 million available in cash at this point, you don’t have a lot of competition. You would be like the guy who waits until after Dec. 25 to do his Christmas shopping; the best stuff might be gone, but he will have a lot of choices.
The key, as one major league official mused on Tuesday night, is picking the right players — using the money the right way. If the Mets come to believe that Bay doesn’t want to play for them, they should go the route of the Seattle Mariners and shape their choices according to their ballpark and build some depth. They could consider a series of moves along these lines:
1. Make the move for Orlando Hudson, something that the Mets have been dying to do for two years: Luis Castillo had a surprisingly decent season last year, but Hudson is the better player — he drives the ball more (50 extra-base hits last year), and he’s a better defensive player; he scored significantly better than Castillo in the UZR/150 ratings. He’s an energizing force who would be good in the New York clubhouse, and would take pressure off the likes of David Wright and Carlos Beltran in dealing with the New York media. You sign Hudson and then figure out what to do with Castillo, whether it would be eating a significant share of the money owed to him to dump him or simply using him as a part-timer.
2. Sign a low-cost veteran outfielder, like Randy Winn: He can play multiple outfield positions, he still rates very well in his defense — and this is something you need from your outfielders while playing in a park like Citi Field. The Mariners showed this approach last year with the strong outfield defense they played in Safeco. How much would he cost? Well, the guess here is that Winn doesn’t have a lot of options, and maybe he bites if you dangle a one-year deal for something in the range of $2.5 million. He might not hit for power, but he’ll play good defense, run the bases well, lend some versatility and experience — and you keep flexibility by signing him to a one-year deal. Winn was not a good player for the Giants last season, but he often hit near the top of the San Francisco lineup and more was needed from him than he could provide. With the Mets, he would probably hit at the bottom of the order.
3. Consider a strong two-year offer to Mark DeRosa: There are concerns among teams about whether DeRosa is going to be effective, as he comes back from a wrist injury. But if the Mets are at least somewhat satisfied that he can be a productive player moving forward, they could outbid the market on a DeRosa deal. He could play first base against left-handed pitchers (with Daniel Murphy starting against right-handers), given his .587 slugging percentage and .928 OPS against lefties last year, and DeRosa could start against right-handers according to the needs of the day — maybe in left field, maybe at third base if David Wright needs a day off, or at second if Hudson or Castillo needed a day off.
4. Make solid one-year offers to the best strike-throwing relief specialists on the market: Bob Howry held right-handed batters to a .231 on-base percentage last year; maybe he would be that kind of guy. Chan Ho Park held right-handers to a .678 OPS, and seems durable; maybe he would be that kind of guy for the Mets.
5. Take a look at Jarrod Washburn: Maybe he’s not healthy. Maybe he’s not excited about pitching in New York, in the National League. But he is a fly ball pitcher who threw pretty well for the first four months of last season (check out the month to month totals here), and presumably, he would not be expensive on a one-year contract; if he is, you move on to other options.
6. Make a solid two-year offer to Fernando Rodney, to strengthen your group of set-up men: It looks like he could be headed to the Angels or the Phillies, but if the Mets got him, he wouldn’t cost a draft pick (unlike Jose Valverde) and the back end of the team’s bullpen could become a strength.
7. Make solid one-year offers to starting pitchers who might be trying to rebuild their market value, whether it be someone like Brett Myers or Vicente Padilla or Jon Garland.
8. If you like Joel Pineiro, make an offer that you’re comfortable with: If Pineiro — the best starting pitcher still unsigned — wants more than what you’re offering, then you move on to other pitchers. There is volume in this current market.
A key in all of these moves is flexibility. If the Mets don’t sign Bay, they should look for very short-term obligations, one-year or two-year deals, to keep themselves in position to make bids next winter, when the free-agent crop will be better. The advantage for the Mets now is that they still have a good core of players who will presumably have better luck in staying healthy this year — Johan Santana, David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran and Francisco Rodriguez.
What they do not need is a long-term investment in Bay if he doesn’t want to play for them; the last thing the Mets can afford now is to have a reluctant $16 million player. If they don’t get an answer soon, they should move on and take advantage of the fact they’re one of the few teams with a nice chunk of change to spend.
As much as I would live Hudson on the team, Castillo would need to go first. How would the Mets have any leverage trying to get rid of him in a trade if there are 2 second baseman signed.
Not the biggest Winn fan but I agree that the Bay thing is taking too long. Ultimatum time.
I do agree that the team needs to be put in a more flexible position with cash and players. The more crap they can get off the books the better chance they can get in on another Santana or Doc H type of trade.
1). Hudson is an “energizing force?” When he isn’t energizing himself to the DL he’s energizing himself to the bench. He won a gold glove despite negative fielding last year because he gives good interviews and the press (Olney is a member of said press) like him.
2). Love the idea of Winn. Gotta hope last year was an aberration and not the end of the line though.
3). DeRosa makes a lot of sense. He seemingly could fill in if needed everywhere but CF and C, but a glance at Fangraphs shows that except in RF he would do so negatively. Would he accept the role of part-time 1B, back up everywhere else with this Mets team?
4). Agree completely on the bullpen needing veterans, and on the 1 year offer concept. I believe this should have been # 1 because it’s Olney’s best suggestion.
5). The idea of a veteran fly-ball SP is one I’ve advocated the whole offseason, like the bullpen idea it makes perfect sense to me.
6). Rodney scares me. High ERA and WHIP and a ground ball pitcher when not striking batters out. I’d pass.
7). Whether Lackey/Halladay came here or not this idea made sense. Now it’s rather mandatory.
8). I don’t trust Pineiro as far as I can throw him to be productive away from Dave Duncan. Just say no to Pineiro. It rhymes, even Omar can remember that.
this doesn’t seem too bad, though I do disagree with Hudson.
How in the world can MC have the #1 Mets blog and be associated with SNY? He has got to be the biggest bipolar Met fan I’ve ever read. One minute he’s freaking out, the next he’s calm, then he’s all in for Bay, next he’s saying skip it. It’s like riding a roller coaster with this guy.
On the other hand, the complete opposite is Ted Berg over at his blog on TedQuarters. I faithfully read his Met posts and he often makes very good points, such as his latest in Glimmer of Hope. Here at least is a guy that knows baseball, seemingly is very knowledgeable about all things Mets, and his posts often relay that knowledge…..
I agree completely. Berg is the multiple Pulitzer prize winner of Met bloggers, that other place is more like Mad Libs written by a 6th grade dropout who doesn’t have sense of humor.
Mad Libs, OMG I haven’t thought about that since like? Well, since like 6th grade.
So……Since
last year????
LoL, I wish
Sorry!
Open target
Me too!, Only as the cliche goes, I’d want to know all I do @44y/o. It would make thinga a whole lot easier!
Merry Christmas Heb!
Or Happy Kwanza or
Merry Diwali or Happy
Chanukah……….
What ever it is you
celebrate, have a Happy and Merry one
Chief!
I celebrate Christmas so thank you and Merry Christmas to you and yours, including Otto!
I figured,just being a
smart arse!
40y/o habits are hard to break!
b/t/w,As i’ve said I have close relatives up there in Orange and Putnam COs.,
I understand you guys didn’t get hit with that storm a few days ago.
We got about 2 feet of snow
here in South Central
PA. I’m still with the shovels,ice-breakers,salt,
the whole thing.
And it ain’t Christmas yet!
Where’s this global warming? I’m a friggin’former beach bum,THIS WEATHER is for Penguins and Polar Bears!
I’m sorry to hear that. We got 2 or 3 inches of light and fluffy which was shoveled/brushed away with ease. Been in quite a cold stretch for a while though, too cold for my blood. Worse with no perceptible “hot stove” to warm by
That domain name is the biggest factor!
As much as he grates on me,
it was a great idea.
Saltygary’s post above,b/t/w
is good but,There are guys i’d like but for various reasons are too much of a risk
right now for us. I really like DeRosa but that wrist problem could be real iffy as
to what,when and how he returns.Rodney’s past history of various arm issues and not
very good job as a closer scare me.Washburn is iffy as
well. He pitched his way out of The Angels rotation yrs ago and was just flat out bad
for The Mariners until last season when in his walk yr,suddenly remembered how to Pitch again.Plus, he wasn’t great as I recall for The Tigers after the deal there.
Winn is done as a player.
No power,not much of a hitter overall,not much of a speed threat anymore and can’t really play CF anymore,just LF&RF.A waste of a roster space.Pagan&Sullivan are better players at this point.
We’re stuck w/Castillo, so forget other Secondbasemen…
Thanks, Omar!!
I just don’t see much out there thats really gonna help
us a whole lot and would prefer Omar not throw the
money away as you know better guys will become available during the season.
They always do!
I read the glimmer of hope article and it was a good read but I disagree with one aspect of it.
He says “The Mets, not nearly as likely to make a title run in 2010, should not be making that sort of gamble.” referring to bringing in a Javier Vasquez type of pitcher if it meant trading away a Jenrry Mejia type player.
In my opinion the Mets are either committed to trying to win in 2010 or not. If they feel that they just don’t have the horses to win in 2010 then they need to plan accordingly and not sign a retread has been one year project and build for down the road.
To me that means investing in young arms like a chapman instead. and giving the Baby Mets a chance to see if they are part of our future. Players like Thole and Santos and Murphy and Niese for starters at least.
That also means if the Mets bringing back Jerry was a big mistake because if anything Jerry has not been the nuturing teacher type of manager to say the least.
You can’t have it both ways you either believe this team is 1 or 2 players away from winning this year or not.
If not then ok build for 2011 by not signing a Molina to a 3 year deal.
For the record I felt the Mets were but a few players away from competing for a Title.
I always felt if Minaya had signed Lackey and Holliday or let’s say If he could of worked out a trade that got us an Arroyo and Phillips from the Reds plus signed Bay. We would be serious contenders for a title in 2010.
In my opinion of course.
oh man, MC’s latest post about his ” all decade team” read the comments and his 1b choice
I just came here to post the same thing. if his 1b choice doesn’t take 100% of his credibility away I don’t know what does. And I know RF has been bad but Bell as the best.
At least he detailed how we got to these conclusions “i like to do these lists without looking at stats,”
Jesus Christmas!
I’ve read some stupid things there BUT that
might be tops!
It really does say all you need to know
about The Blognazi himself!
the thing about it for me, is when I think of Mets 1b’s over the past 10… I think of Zeile and Delgado and because its recent, Murph…
I forget MientkefeakIzigiga even played here and i’d like to keep it that way
Same with DBell
The only reason why I remember Bell was it was funny that he lived on a house boat by the stadium. But overall he was a pain in the ass and didn’t contribute anything.
Mancaveitch had one ok season. He was banged up most of the time and was a baby about playing time.
I guess people should be thankful that he didn’t have John Olerud or Hubie Brooks on his 2000 list.
MC and Doug shared a moment that no other Met 1st baseman ever had.
Ahhhhh,
My fav at 1st has to be Keith followed by Brogna
My fav at 2nd has to be Backman
My fav at 3rd has to be HOJO
My fav at SS has to be Reyes
My fav at C is tough but I have to say is Hundley
My fav at LF is easy the Silent Assassin Kevin McReynolds
My fav at CF has to be the man they call Nails Lenny Dykstra
My fav at RF has to be the Strawman
in MC’s defense, it was taem of the 2000’s decade
LoL I just saw that in that regard then for me it would be as follows
1b Olerud
2B Alfonzo
ss Reyes
3B Wright
C Piazza
LF Floyd
CF Beltran
RF Nady
my bad the favs are for this decade only right?
So DeRosa was offered a 2 year 12 million contract by the Giants.
still not sure how i feel about DeRosa… but thats not a terrible risk for a super utility player with a good bat
He should take the offer! It ain’t gonna get better than that for a 35y/o super-sub
coming of a wrist op.
Great clubhouse influence or not.
And I like him as a
player.
He has to take this deal, especially coming off the wrist surgery. If he doesn’t take this offer, he is too rich for the Mets blood, and the Giants are better off with Beltre’s glove at 3B and moving Panda to 1B than DeRosa at anything more than 2 and 12.