The Dirty Scoop: Kazmir/Pena/Crawford Availble Mets Interested
Posted by trs86 on 2:40pm, Tuesday July 28th 2009
According to Joel Sherman the Rays have called the Mets about Kazmir. Also, according to Sherman the Rays are considering moving any of Pena, Crawford and Kazmir to clear salary for Lee and Vmart. Hmm…. Could the Mets solve issues for this year and next by making a trade for Kazmir AND Crawford or Pena. Both Crawford and Pena are under contract for next season and would fill large holes in the Mets lineup. Kazmir is having a terrible year and injury concerns but if the price is not too high he would be a great gamble for next year’s rotation.
Thoughts?
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So anyone in for a 3 way? LOL
Mets, Indians and Rays?
as long as we get Crawford, I’m game. But who do send and where?
I am not sure if I want Crawford or Pena. LOL
I would guess that a package like we had for Halladay would be needed to balance things. Some maybe going to Cleveland some to the Rays?
Crawford or Pena? I guess that depends on how much you believe in F-Mart or Murphy. Me, i’d want Crawford but Pena could give us the power we’re looking for. On the other hand, Crawford and Nick Johnson sounds real good, too.
See that’s my fear, I love Crawford. But it would then be Murphy and Crawford. Not enough power. Nick Johnson does not do much for that.
yeah, but this lineup should have enough pop w/ good OPS
Reyes
Crawford
Beltran
Wright
Francouer
Molina
Johnson
Castillo
No where near enough pop though Case. I wish it was. But who is the big bopper there? Frenchy? We have no idea if he will completely recover and no idea what to expect out of Wright. I think we need at least 1 guy who can change the game with a HR.
Beltran?
You putting a lot of trust in someone who will have missed almost an entire season and is not known as a HR hitter.
not a hr hitter? ur joking, right?
Beltran is a GREAT player, but he has only had 3 seasons in 11 that he has hit more than 30 HR.
In the past 8 seasons, Beltran has hit 24, 26, 29, 38, 16, 41, 33, and 27 HRs.
We may have different opinions on what a HR hitter is.
Pena is having a down year but the power is still there. .217 .348 .496 .844
TRS looks like your plan may come true.
Which one? LOL.
Remember after the game the other day we discussed the plan on what Mets needed to do and you had mentioned we had to get a pitcher possibly Kevin Millwood and we needed to try and get either VMART or Crawford?
Yeah, I have had a plan every night. LOL.
Anyway, I like the idea of Kazmir, Crawford/Pena
You see I knew I should of made you write it down.
It was ablueprint to success.
i’m intrigued
Seriously, why if you are the Mets would you not be interested in all or any of those 3?
Is it correct to assume the acquiring team would get Crawford’s 2010 option?
Yes, not sure if he can demand a trade though like Halladay.
Yes!
Money. Not sure what pena makes, but Crawford and Kamir are over 20 million alone.
Omar could save the season,next&
his job by moving ANY of our minor
league talents for these three.
If and its a big if,this is true,
you dont hesitate! FMart,Murp,Niese,
plus,plus and get it done Omar!
It would certainly change the look
and feel of this team for the reat of
‘09 and next season! Are any of the
players in our system gonna be ANY
of these three in terms of production
on the MLB level? Omar should do
whatever is needed to acquire a
package which would include the three
players mentioned!
Well we won’t get all 3 Fongy, but I think 2 is realistic. I think Kazmir is the one they will want to move and then maybe we can squeeze out Pena. If they got Vmart then it would make sense.
how come they want to get rid of Kazmir? I know they have lots of arms, but why him?
Cost, performance and injury.
# 10:$8M, 11:$12M, 12:$13.5M club option ($2.5M buyout)
# $0.8M bonus if traded (for first trade only)
Great! For next year.
If Delgados back soon
where does Pena play
the rest of this season?
Beside of Delgado, he will need all the help he can get.
In all seriousness I guess you would have to rotate them. Maybe Delgado becomes a waiver deal as he would pass through.
Sounds good to me
So what would it take?
I am guessing Niese would go to the Indians, Parnell to the Rays, Fmart to the Rays, Murphy to the Indians?
would that be for one or two?
Kazmir and Pena/Crawford maybe a throw in to balance.
Nah nah MC we got the story before you did. LOL.
lol, I’d say 90% of the time we do.
That’s because we have all kinds of writers that have no life and he only has a few groupies that have to send their stories to him.
Can you edit the timestamp on a post because MC’s post even though ours came out on SPYDER 1ST his has an earlier Timstamp than ours?
Eh, we get most of our visits from Sportsypder anyway. Maybe Cerrone did that. LOL.
This is My Life. lol
This is exactly the shot in the arm we need this could be something special if done right. Oh I just jinxed it didn’t I?
Yes.
Kazmir to me is an easy move, they really don’t want his salary. Pena and Crawford both make about 10 million next year and are FA after that. Perfect.
I am owning this comment section so I apologize but this makes just too much sense.
Rays get what they want, players salaries cleared AND prospects to soften the blow for them to deal for Vmart, Lee or Halladay. Indians get better prospects than what the Mets alone have. Mets get 2 guys that help for this year and fill huge holes for next. Come on Rubin, write a story about it.
These stories just kill old grizzled
Met fans b/c,man does it sound good
to think of those three in Met uniforms only to know it won’t
happen. Joel Sherman has very little
credibility.
I don’t doubt that the Rays called the Mets on Kazmir though. He has not linked all 3 to the Mets just Kazmir. He has said that all 3 are available as they should be.
So we end up with Wilson from the Pirates in a couple
days?
Luckily that is the least likely to happen as Reyes is hopefully back soon.
Good!
Just being sarcastic anyway!
But I do hope Omar does do
something stupid!
agreed…but crawford sounds awesome..love his speed. and pena has pop as we know. Kazmir is having a bad year but we love guys that need a little fixin like that i.e, Ollie
I’ll tell ya,ya just gotta give mad
credit to Theo.He just got an interesting former prospect for
Kotsay who wasnt gonna play for
them anyway. Mes think hes up to
somrthing huge and hopefully it’ll be Halladay.theres always a plan
up there! Omar, please,take notice!
IN more news, Red Sox have given in and offered Clay Buchholz, Michael Bowden and Ryan Westmoreland to the Blue Jays for Halladay.
Wow that’s a strong offer. Also the RSox just got Brian Anderson, could he be replacing Ellsbury?
No Williams and Ozzie have grown tired of waiting on him
and Ozzie likes Kotsays ability to also play 1B and
give Konerko a day off at times. Ellsbury is goin’no where.
Most likely right on Ellsbury, however, is Thome dead?
DH only!
b/t/w if toronto accepts
theyre getting hijacked!
I don’t know, that’s pretty strong for .5 to 1.5 years of Halladay.
Bowden is Ian
Kennedy and
Bucholz has
a 10cent head
to go w/his million dollar
arm.But hey good
for the RedSox.
I’ve “joined forces” with the only Red Sox fan in my office against the wretched spawn that is Yankee fans and this would be a win/win. The Sox would obviously be a better team w. Halladay and we dont see him pitching in Philly for the remainder of this yr and next.
My buddy doesnt like the proposal by the way..
Since we’re not getting Halladay, I don’t care who he might be traded to as long as it’s NOT the Phillies….
It will be the Phillies… they have the best shot and will most likely take advantage of that oportunity. Then, they will win the WS this year and 2010 (As Verducci predicts).
Too bad Omar panicked lat year when the Braves stole Lowe, and resigned Ollie. If he had been smart (or just checked with blog posters that were, right TRS?), and signed some of the 1 year arms going cheap (wolf, marquis, etc.), then he would be sitting pretty to snag a guy like that.
Instead, Ollie is effectively filling the rotation and budget slot that Kazmir could take.
And, assuming Ollie stays, unless Neise goes in the deal, that makes the rotation way too left handed (although maybe that is good for facing the phils?
Kazmirs durability is scary, but what the heck, sometimes you gotta roll the dice.
And hopefully some ML seasoned guys like Murphy and Evans can cover some of the body count to save “real” prospects?
F mart going to bring back Crawford does seem like a no brainer.
I don’t think that Niese would still be around if we dealt for anyone.
Peterson had a prob w/ Kazmir’s durability because of his pitching style, right?
Do you think F-Mart can pull this in the next few years?
99 Runs
195 Hits
27 Doubles
14 Triples
13 HR
76 RBI
55 SB
.295 BA
.334 OBP
.435 SLG
.769 OPS
That’s Crawford’s 162 game Avg of 8 seasons.
Nope. Not at all or anywhere close. Those are Reyes numbers.
I know F-Mart doesn’t steal, I meant the other numbers.
Even without those steals those are very Reyes like, not to mention the defense. Put his OBP up to .350ish and you have a super star. There is no reason at this point for us to believe Fmart is anything close to those numbers.
There is no reason for this team to hold onto f-mart if he still has any value left. no reason! Clearly he’s not going to be a big power guy, he’s no too fast..he’s a good glove, not great. He’s still a ways to go, why wait for him to develope into a good player at best on a win now team, when they can trade him for a major impact player?
How about this (TRS might even approve).
Get Kazmir and Pena, if the prospect count isn’t too bad, since you are taking on Kazmirs salary and injury issues.
Then, take RIos off Torontos hands for a B prospect (another salary dump).
Now, that eats up much of the salary coming off the books next year, but it also fills every hole but catcher, and you can do that on the cheap.
You end up with a line up of (in some order):
Reyes
castillo
Wright
Pena
Beltran
Franceour
Rios
Catcher
Might not have a fielder/howard level HR guy, but so what? Dont have that anyway.
That line up has 4 guys that have hit 30 HRs (as recently as last year) in a row. And Reyes and Rios have some pop.
Also a ton of speed in there, even toward the bottom of the order. ANd very good defense overall.
ROtation gets sorted out, but if you don’t mind being lefty heavy, Santana, Kazmir, Pelf, Maine, Ollie is not too bad. OK, maybe it is, but can’t have everything!
No I had already thought of that, especially if the Rays were to go after Halladay instead. But either way, Pena and Rios would be great additions. Younger, under team control for after this year…
would be nice to get Kazmir and Pena. But Kazmir looks like he has issues. I doubt we see anything major happen in terms of trades for this club, but maybe they wanna take the heat off the FO, so who knows?
I think that would be wise. Kazmir has injury issues and has performed poorly but it’s a perfect gamble as long as we get Pena or Crawford in the deal.
Well, should know in a few days if CHristmas is coming early!
And Omar did say in the off season that he had money set aside to add salary at the deadline, right? And he wouldn’t lie to us, would he?
The real hang up of course is how much budget room do the Wilpons provide (next year might be the bigger issue), and of course, how bad is the prospect hit.
But, this is exactly the type of deal (conceptually) I asked for. SOmething to beef up the team for the miracle run, but really filling the pending gaping holes coming for next year.
Making the team younger and better defensively is also a bonus!
Ok, so what are the Mets need right now?
1B - Delgado is supposed to come back early August, but how will he play. Murphy’s defense has improved, but his bat is still lacking.
OF - Shef says he’s ready to play, but he can’t play full time. Beltran says he feels better but his return is less clear. Frency and Pagan have been hot lately.
SP - Maine is no where near coming back. Livan has had a couple of good games since his last poor game and Niese did great replacing Nieve, but can they maintain this performance and is the rotation good enough.
Me, for right now, I’d like to upgrade at OF. Be it Rios, Crawford, or whoever else. Murph can hold the fort till Delgado comes back. Niese should be here to stay, but I’m not 100% sure the rest of the rotation will hold up.
I don’t like Rios because he’s too much of a long term commitment. Enough of these projects. Can we just get a guy who we know can actually constantly play good baseball on a daily basis in lf or rf! I’m sick of these guys that “Can be…. if”. The same thing goes to our pitching staff. I like John Maine, and he has been very good for Kris benson, but enough is enough. The guy just cannot play constant ball without either getting injured, or getting on a major cold streak. We need to get a corner outfielder that can play, I’m willing to re-sign Delgado if he pproves he isn’t done only because there are no 1b fa’s next year. where the Mets need a huge makeover is their starting rotation. johan is johan. Pelfrey is a #3 or 4 pitcher, he just isn’t a number 2. The Mets need another ace caliber pitcher so that everybody can get pushed back a spot. Leys say we can get an oswalt or someone in that caliber this deadline or in the offseason, you can live with johan oswalt pelfrey perez maine. you can re-sign putz and live with this bullpen. They need a real starting catcher. That is how this team will be fixed..a #2 whos really a #1..a catcher…and a corner outfielder.
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I really want no part of Delagdo again. More than anything you could say his absence has been the hardest to take and would be again next year. He just can’t stay healthy.
True…but I’d hate to see the mets make a big commitment to a mediocre 1b in order to sign them. The thing is the mets are better off testing the trade market or waiting till 2011 to find their next long term 1b, and I really don’t mind giving delgado another year if he can still hit. At the worst offer him arb so we can get picks if he turns it down.
I would rather go with Blalock or trade for Pena.
Oh and I noticed the arbitration part. That would be very risky. He would stand to make 14 million in arbitration give or take.
Their is truth in what the “Young Padawan” says.
I really see a very good opportunity here. I like Pena a lot. He’s a good defensive 1B and can replace Delgado’s powers. He’s a FA after 2010 season, so I see a good opportunity for the Mets to get him. I heard that he’s a very good influence in the clubhouse as well. He’s 31 years old and should be in his prime for another 4-5 years. Only thing is that he Ks a lot and doesn’t really hit for average. But so is Ryan Howard (granted he has hit few more HRs).
If Rays package Pena with guys like Kazmir or Crawford, it’ll be a really good opportunity for the Mets.
yes, but who do we trade for these guys!
OMar better be finding out! If he isn’t too busy having long sad phone calls with his BFF Tony.
Crawford I think is a poipe dream. He will cost.
But, kazmir they seem to want to dump now that he is having injury probolems. ANd pena is expensive.
So, you are talking about what, 6 mill this year, and 18 mill (roughly) in 2010 for those 2 guys? Frnakly, take the full salaries, and the prospect haul back should not be that significant.
Not sure of course what the Rays want, but if Murphy can be a piece, go for it.
Dont trade Davis though. With any luck, he would be ready to take over in 2011.
I ask this question all of the time when the topic of trading prospects comes up…what is the best case scenario for Ike Davis? He can hopefully one day be a decent power bat and a good first basemen..well Pena is already a great power threat and a very good first basemen. I doubt it will just take Davis to get the deal done.
I would purposely wet my bed if the Mets get Crawford. My wife might divorce me but I would still have Crawford.
He is the right type of player for Citi field.
could you imagine reyes and crawford back to back…followed by beltran (insert your power hitting aquisition), delgado? Wright and francour! That’s pretty baller! though it totally makes castillo useless.
I don’t think it makes Castillo useless at all. Be Creative here.
Reyes, Castillo, Crawford, Beltran, Wright, LHPH, Frenchy, Catcher.
Crawford is not really a #3 hitter, but its a useless conversation that i’d gladly have if he was acquired.
You are right, but Reyes with his OBP could be.
That would make The Gansta’s plan to possible use reyes in the 3 hole come true.
I still have this fear that if Reyes goes in the 3 hole, he’s going to start thinking he’s a homerun hitter, screw up his swing and maybe pull a calf muscle rounding first on a home run trot.
I would love to have either Pena or Crawford, I can see either being great for us. So lets just hope for either.
I honestly believe the Mets are going to make some sort of big splash at the deadline, mainly to shift focus away from the embarrassment of the whole Minaya/Rubin press conference fiasco. If they do, let’s hope it’s for just this type of deal, bringing in young vets that still have plenty of tread left on their tires. A few weeks ago, I was hoping to get both Halladay and Rios, but this is just a pipe dream. I don’t think the Rays will deal Crawford but I definitely could see them moving Kazmir/Pena, especially if they can get V-Mart and Lee. Pena’s batting average is down, but batting average is a bit overrated as this guy still draws a lot of walks and hits for power while playing a strong first base. Getting Kazmir back could help erase one of the organization’s many stupid moves over the years. I like it.